way of delivering that. should the scope of the bill be expanded beyond non—human vertebrae? the evidence is particularly strong for octopuses, - where i think it's really very strong indeed. - but i think because you've got substantial evidence right - across the cephalopod mollusc and the decapod crustaceans, i those those are appropriate categories to be using - in the law. do you think that we ought to be looking at ways in which you can humanely harvest these species without causing pain? i'm thinking, for instance, lobsters, squid. you could almost get to a stage where you say when you bring them to the surface, you're basically causing them pain and we could end up with a fishing industry that was non—existent. so, where do you think