the occasion of going to one. so it's something i've always loved. and that, it's always stayed with me. you went to dulwich college, a prestigious public school, one with a good art department, i presume? well, not for me, but it might have been for other people. but it was a very traditional school and run along very traditional lines. and so the art department, likewise, was a reflection of the ethos of the school. and so i didn't really... get on with the... it's quite amazing how you can, a teacher can take against you or you can take against a teacher. and so we were not... we didn't see eye—to—eye. even as an 11—year—old, you realise it's not going to work. a particular teacher? yes. just because he his view of art was very specific, and of drawing. it was all about precision. and i couldn't do that. and so that was... i was out, basically. it was the kind of school where if you weren't good at something, you weren't allowed to do it because it reflected badly on the school, as they saw. mm. so i did pottery, which was fine. it was a lot more fun, but i never returned to art after that, of drawing or painting. that was it.