Will do that before we start. Got to go. David, can you do that . I have something for you guys going to help. Two buttons. Already feeling better to me. David thank you. Ellen there are a ton of cool stories. Global economics section. A great story about indias most famous political families. They greatgrandson from the fourthgeneration, raul ghandi. Is he looking to run . Ellen he is the Vice President of the Congress Party. Modi is pretty popular now. The question is is he going to cure the mental of his family and ultimately go against modi. Oddly, he disappeared for a few months and when on sabbatical. He came back refreshed. And he is sort of making moves like he may be gandhi and nehru and numbers of his family before him. Carol does he have support . Ellen its not clear. The Congress Party was trampled. It is sort of looking ahead. Willie ultimately gain the power is that a question. David you look at the demand for satellites. It was the providence of the government for a long time. Now you have Companies Getting satellites into space. Ellen elon musk is landed a rocket back to earth. Most people think its about what is going on in space. Its about what is going on down here. The increased demand for wifi, the increased demand for internet connection, and especially for those of us they go on airplanes and have the connection, satellites can cure that. For satellite companies, most of the business will be beyond launching satellites. Carol in the markets and finance session, what does buffett want to do with yahoo . We are talking about Warren Buffett. Ellen he always said he didnt want to invest in ibm, said i do not want to get involved in tech companies. He stayed away. David the deviled with ibm for a while. Ellen he finally did invest in ibm. Mostly he stayed away from tech. This looks like its an exception. What we say is it is a really. If you look at yahoo in certain ways, its really a media company. Carol and he likes Media Properties. David and he is the savior of some newspapers not long ago. Stan gilbert. A lot of bids for this company. Anybody gaming out how likely he is to go get it . Ellen he is against verizon so you dont know. Buffett is a next project getting in there and figure out ways where he can profit because of the size of the d can muster. He has a lot of money to put the work. David cover story this week, so much about the price of pharmaceuticals. You look at charities that help people pay for copays and how a lot of pharmaceuticals are working with them. Ellen drug prices having going up for a while. There are charities that been developed that can help people who cant swing the cost of these rising drug prices who use copays. What happened is that the charity pays the copay, and with a lot of these patients medicare pays the rest. What is good about this for Drug Companies is that if they just give people the drugs, that is it. But if they donate to these charities, they more than make up for it when medicare reimburses for the price of the drug. Carol and we have a reporter. Ben what they do is they help patients who have insurance already. Drug prices are getting so expensive they are stepping in and the individual portion of these drug costs, maybe 10 of a drug might cost 10,000 or 15,000 a year. They help you with that particular payment. So therefore you can stay on the drug and afford a 100,000 cancer drug. Carol it sounds like a great thing, helping people who could not afford medicines otherwise. But what is interesting is these copay charities where are they getting the book of their money . Ben that is something that struck us. It is coming frothe pharma industry. It is a circular flow of money. Pharma Companies Give huge contributions to these charities. An Unnamed Company gave 170 million to one of these charities in 2014. That money just gets allocated back to patients quite often who were on that companys drugs. The money circles around and goes back to themselves. David lets give them the benefit of the dought here, we think there is some benevolence there. There are also economic motivations . Ben absolutely. What we have seen is an astronomical rise in drug prices. This works for Drug Companies as long as it does not erode their patient base. A big chunk cannot afford the drug and wont be signing up to take it, they will start to lose revenue. They need to find a way where they can raise the prices of drugs, yet keep their Customer Base from eroding. Carol you profiled one company in particular, Patient Services incorporated. They are one of the players. Tell us about the history. Ben we look at them because they are the grandfather of this. They have been around for 27 years. Most of these other charities have been around the last 8, 9, 10 years. And so, yeah, we have to look in the founding father of the industry, a man named danny. How he went about starting this in his back story. They are quite interesting in that they have been at this for so long and sort of a market mover. They were the First Charity to say, lets focus on medicare patients. Not only the private insurance patients, but the ones on governmentfunded medicare which is a prickly area because you are not actually supposed to help medicare patients pay their drug costs. That is considered a kickback under federal rules. What they have done is found a way to get government permission to do this as long as they dont have significant sway over their operations. Its a touchy and prickly area. Patient services inc. Sort of spearheaded the way into the next area. David charities like this one have grown apart because of legislation passed decades ago . Ben they really took off with the creation of the Medicare Part d benefit. Giving drug benefits for medicare patients. Basically, Drug Companies are legally allowed to directly subsidized patients. Anybody on private insurance, if you could help step in and pay the copay, that is allowed. In the medicare market that is not allowed. You need this conduit, which is turning out to be these charities. And so when Medicare Part d was created, these charities came out of the woodwork and started up. Some were actually founded by the drug industry itself. Carol illustrating our cover for big pharmas relationships can be challenging. This is a cover we started to design before he got the actual story. Carol really . David is that common . It is 5050. We knew that big pharma was donating to charities they getting the money back in the government and there was something a bit sketchy about that. We started this graphic cover which just said how big pharma is robbing the u. S. Government. We were happy with that for a few days. We were like, oh, this is pretty much done. Then we sort of realized they are not robbing anyone because theyre not doing anything illegal. Carol and it is helping people if you look at the story. We had to give it a bit. We decided to go a bit more hyperbolic route to this happy pill. We started with the headline big pharma is here to help, and they contradict that point a bit. Then we eventually morphed into a lower headline. It is one big long headline that it happened it is basically like not that visible if youre standing a few feet back. Carol its really colorful. How do you figure out how to get peoples attention . With this sort of first part of the headline is big pharma is here to help, we just wanted the image to play at that. We thought the bright color and the hearts would sort of plant that. David there is some silliness to this as well. Extremely silly. This story in itself is obviously not silly, but in order to bring you in there was a lot to explain on the cover. We had to boil it down to something that is eyecatching and the details of it later on. David how to build your business without a sales force. And what is the best mandle for you this summer . Sandals for men. Thats ahead on Bloomberg Businessweek. Carol welcome back. David in this Weeks Technology section, some Small Businesses are slapped with these huge debit cards of up to 50 . Carol weve been talking about all these merchants that bought new machines to accept the chip. It takes some training. But in another higher fees involved. David it goes back to software problems. That was a huge struggle for a lot of businesses. It took a lot of time to process these cards. The transition has been a rocky. Carol visa and mastercard are the ones benefiting by the higher fees, but you can change the software in the machines and the fee will be reduced. David you have a lot of Small Business owner saying debit card fees were already high, even with a Software Glitch is getting higher and higher in their less interested in it that can debit cards. Its posing a huge problem potentially for customers. Carol we have got a story about the innovative Sales Strategy going on at Business Software maker. David you mean sales without a sales force. We talked to dina bass. They are a Company Called atlassian, they have been an ipo in the last couple of months. They sell project tracking and collaboration software. They do it in a more of a grassroots way. They try to put all the information you could possibly need to buy on their website. You go there and purchase. Its very different. There are lots of companies that do that kind of thing but generally speaking and Enterprise Software that bigger businesses use, the more traditional models have this large Enterprise Sales force. The stereotypical thing when you think of ibm or oracle. These quota carrying salesman. Rushing to make their numbers at the end of the quarter. That is something they have never done. It managed to grow quite rapidly and sales save money on the salesforce. People think about whether they could do this to some extent. David how replicatable is what they have done . They are based in australia. They did not have the pressure from venture capitalists back in the company from the getgo. Dina i think that is part of the question. Most think it is not possible for a company to replicate what atlassian has done, at least not to that extent. Atlassian is fairly religious about this. They dont have any salespeople, so much so that a customer we spoke to that reached out to them a couple of years ago and wanted to purchase them and they said could you send me a salesperson. They said we dont do that kind of thing. It is hard for other companies to do that. Even atlassian admits there is software where this will not make sense. Once every 10 year level purchase. It will be a hard thing for them to do. You also have this kind of different model. They grew up in sydney. Most of their business is global. They have a Significant Office here in san francisco. They were selffunded off the cofounders credit cards. They did not have the pressure from venture capitalists who wanted them to grow faster and do things differently. That enabled them to take this track. The coceo told me it gives you a more steady, predicable growth rate. Its a little bit slower than what some venture capitalists would like. He likens the idea of salesforce to taking adderall when you are not going to prepare for the test. This sort of jolt. It is a lowquality high. It doesnt really change or improve matters. It gets you through the quarter. That is not a model he has ever been interested in. It works fairly well for most Enterprise Software companies. Carol Chinese Companies listed in the u. S. Challenging homecoming. Thats up next on Bloomberg Businessweek. David welcome back to Bloomberg Businessweek. Carol you can listen to Bloomberg Businessweek on sirius xm channel 119. David why some Companies Listed in the u. S. Are finding it difficult to return home. These Chinese Companies are losing value here. They think they are not well understood by wall Street Investors. Last year you saw a rally on chinas mainland stock market. Every thing but so attractive to people think they can make more money and valuations in the exchanges are much higher than what they get here. Carol what are they doing specifically . Bonnie so basically, they have a whole bunch of management executives that are buying back their own shares. But they are trying to do is a list in the u. S. Market in and try to sell shares back in shanghai locally. David a lot of people dont understand what they do here in the states. Give us a sense of what these commodities are and how they operate. Bonnie mostly our Internet Technology related Chinese Companies so we have got momo, a dating app like tinder, and a second largest Search Engine in china. And then a lot of social networking. Carol officials have been worried about the capital flows, if you will, coming out of china. Correct . So are they looking to kind of stop this . Bonnie i would say this is a secondary concern of chinese regulators. The first one is about the stock market stability, the influx of Chinese Companies that were previously listed overseas, all of a sudden they wanted to go back to china altogether. That would dilute share prices and stability is a top concern of the Chinese Government and regulators. Carol so they want to reign this in . That is what they have been talking about. They have been raising questions about wall Street Investors and investors at home about these investors. David with the government like to have Chinese Companies listing overseas . Would the government like to have Companies Listing in shanghai . I think they have different views about it, and a couple of years ago all of these technologyrelated Chinese Companies, they sort of have to go overseas because Foreign Investors have limits to invest directly in shares of those companies. These days, because of the valuation, more and more these Chinese Companies want to go back. David up next, why china is getting the Cold Shoulder down under. Carol the National Geographic channel is planning its next act. All that ahead on Bloomberg Businessweek. Okay, ready . Whoa [ explosion ] nothing should get in the way of the things you love. Get americas fastest internet. Only from xfinity. David welcome to Bloomberg Businessweek. Carol we are inside the magazine headquarters. David still ahead in this weeks issue, martha becks Life Coaching industry. Carol the United StatesPostal Service looking for a lifeline. David what does James Murdoch have planned for National Geographic . Carol it is all ahead on Bloomberg Businessweek. David we are here with the editor of Bloomberg Businessweek. So many more mustreads in this section. Ellen i dont want you to get nervous, i just want to do a check on how you are feeling. David it is better. There is a story here in the Global Economic section about the chinese finding australia much less inviting. Elln a lot of Chinese People are trying to get their money out of china and they are buying real estate in the u. S. And also in australia. The Housing Market in australia is pretty tight, prices are going up. David it is a hot market. Ellen its a very hot market. Australians are not happy about that and they are putting in place all kinds of rules that makes it hard for them to buy. Carol the banks are pushing back. Ellen the banks are changing their rules so they are not lending as much to the chinese, and so does the government. The government has a rule that the chinese are not supposed to be able to buy preexisting its this very protectionist attitude about chinese investors at home. Carol lets talk about the focus on section. You guys key in on the cloud and specifically take a look at Many Industries that have been exploiting technology. David what is Block Chain Technology . Ellen everybody knows. Carol everybody talks about it without understanding it. Ellen it has to do with bitcoin. I think the way to think about it is as a digital ledger that involves lots of different computers. If you think about it too much it might make your head swirl. A digital ledger. Carol but it is not just, Financial Industries are tapping into it but other industries. Ellen all kind of industries think it can be useful to them. They are thinking it may replace in some cases regular web services and they are all experimenting with it. A lot of Financial