Mate search to indiana. I am in indianapolis. It has become the center of the universe. At the governors residence, donald trump and his eldest children had breakfast at the home of one of his top contenders. Indiana governor mike pence. He auditioned at a rally last night. Looms, with asion suspected friday announcement. Gingrich and Jeff Sessions also came to the Hoosier State for their own lastminute facetoface huddle with the candidate at a downtown hotel. He also reportedly called Chris Christie today. Confused about where trump stands on this decision, dont worry. The candidate cleared it up and into with brett pair of fox news. The governor has been amazing. We will see what happens. Newt gingrich is coming in to see me. Chris christie is something i have liked for a long time. He is a total professional. I am narrowing it down. I am at three, potentially four. But in my own mind probably to. I have been trying to follow the bouncing ball from indianapolis to cleveland. Wheres the running mate search stand . John i think after all the anda of today with pants with thinking maybe hes the guy. Then we heard that sessions and gingrich are also on their way to indiana. And he spoke to christie. I think we are not that far from where we were 24 hours ago we talked about on the show. I believe we have a short list now and the shortlist is three people, gingrich christie, mike pence, and maybe sessions. But it doesnt seem it is much to go on with sessions. Donald trump is doing final cut checks on these men. I think Jeff Sessions is being done as a courtesy. The other three are viable contenders. If he goes with his head to unite the conservative movement and not risk a running mate who cause distractions he will go with governor mike pence. If he goes with the people he feels more comfortable with people go with either gingrich or christie. One thing we dont know is the offending issue. Both gingrich and christie have known things in their dossiers that could be distractions. Just dont know how heavily donald trump is weighing those things. We know that the balance of recommendations among evil around him is weighted more toward mike pence than the other two. John paul matt forte likes the idea of pence. Donald trump still needs to consolidate report support among republicans. Mike pence gives him the card to play with conservatives. Paul ryan a comment about how he would like to be reassured that donald trump is a genuine conservative. The question of a nominee looking into the eyes of these people that he would not just be putting on the ticket as a cohort on the road in a Campaign Setting but who he would like to govern with if they become president is a huge thing. That gut check really matters. He doesnt see what the whos afraid of distractions. On the basis of how he has campaigned so far. Maybe it will matter so much. He could say screw it, i want to be with christie. He is more my kind of guy. Mark i think he likes his own distractions rather than other ones. John new details about the lineup of the Upcoming Democratic National Convention in philadelphia. Elizabeth warren, michelle obama, Bernie Sanders are all scheduled to speak. Then president obama will take the stage. Amazingly it is more than we know about the Republican Convention which starts in just five days. Reports are the trumps family will play a big role. Scott walker will be speaking. We still dont have a full schedule. Concerned about the lack of organization and logistics and security to deal with tens of thousands of demonstrators on the streets of cleveland. That they is it republican National Convention is going to be a total bust . Mark they are well behind in terms of what they said publicly. The donald trump operation can defy gravity as long as they fill the time of the stage and stuff happens every day that feeds the journalists. They will be ok. Its not that much programming. Its not 24 hours. It is a high wire thing and they are a little bit in danger of falling off the wire. At caveatsbody is the security issue on the streets in cleveland. Given what is happened in america over the course of the last week. ,mages of chaos and disorder those kinds of images could quickly overwhelm anything going on the convention stage. If that happens this could really be a mess. Not just in terms of Television Production but politically for donald trump and his chances to become president. Mark if they had more bandwidth they the high command could be coordinated with the secret Service Local police in a more confident way. Taking the speakers is the first step. Then you got to figure out what order people are speaking in an coordinating their presentations. You dont want another Clint Eastwood situation. Theyre taking a risk here. This is an area where trumps showmanship and his family maybe one paper over. Almost a week after the dallas shooting that killed five Police OfficersHillary Clinton invokes abraham lincolns house divided speech today with her own plea for National Unity in remarks at the old Illinois State capital. Her speech which came one day after president obama and president bush spoke about memorial urged americans to appreciate the difficult work the police do and also called racisming the systematic Hillary Clinton as someone in foughtdle of a hotly Political Campaign i cant claim that my words and actions havent sometimes fueled the partisanship that often stands in the way of progress. Fought politicali recognize that i havo better. In times like these we need a president who can help us together. Not to us apart. That is why i believe donald trump is so dangerous. He says that he doesnt win in november we wont have a country anymore. America is not going to continue to survive. I do not know what hes talking about. This man is the nominee of the party of lincoln. We are watching his become the party of donald trump. Just a huge loss for our democracy. It is a threat to it. Mark the Clinton Campaign said these were major remarks. Donald trump has called himself the law and order candidate. John she is trying to be the candidate of optimism. Guarded optimism, realistic optimism. Also someone who traffics in the kind of apocalyptic rhetoric that is sometimes appealing to certain segment but not generally. I cant figure time it has ever one general election. Wellramed it relatively from her point of view. It doesnt mean the trumps messages and still powerful. They say that trump wont acknowledge any mistakes. She is not too far off that. She said the emails were a mistake. For her to say today in a heartfelt way that she has been part of the partisanship. That is smart. Her argument in the end about trump is that he is unreasonable and i am reasonable. That was a pretty big concession to make. Lets see if she can keep his tone up. If this is a oneoff given the veepstakes everything thats going on. Im not sure the speech will break through for very many voters. Unless she sustains the tone and the ideas. John it is less than a week away from all the stuff that happened last week in minneapolis and then in dallas. There are a lot of people in the country who want a unifying figure not a divisive figure. When we come back, donald trump picking up momentum in a lot of battleground state polls. After this break. John welcome back. We had a tsunami of battleground state polls today. Donald trump is gaining ground on Hillary Clinton in these battleground states. Donald trump tied with clinton in ohio where he trailed or by six points couple of months ago. She is ahead by 13 in colorado. In wisconsin she is up by six. The donald trump is close to the gap in other states including the key battleground state of florida. That is an 11 point swing in trumps direction in less than a month. We talked about a new poll that showed hillary with a big lead among collegeeducated voters. That doesnt usually happen for democrats. , oneng at all these polls of the realities and implications for these candidates . People going to have to get used to seeing a difference during the National Polls and the state polls. It islitical reality is great for trump unevenly convention. It allows him to feel like he has got the momentum. To argue to the delegates were they might be some wavering. This guy can win 200 and electoral votes so get in line. The clinton folks are not happy about it on one level. If they continue to believe that their biggest challenge is getting democrats, donors and activists and volunteers, to believe that they could lose and to be energized in the way they need to be. Many of these polls were conducted in the wake of the fbi directors ruling last week. He took it as a woodshed even as he let her off the hook. Some numberugh for of voters james comeys criticisms of clinton have sunk in. Donaldof these states trump has gained some ground. That is the big take away here. We cant tell the causation yet. It seems as though the fbi decision although spearing her from the existential threat of somecution may have taken of the temporary toll on her pole standing. Is true that these polls represent an accurate notion that trump is doing the press may be overemphasized Donald Trumps failure in his speeches to take advantage of the james comey thing. It happened all on its own. He did need to talk as much about it as his critics said he did. John you could argue that if you driven the message he would got an even bigger bounce. Nafta thats fast between Supreme CourtJustice Ruth Bader ginsburg and donald trump. Days sincea few Justice Ginsburg told the Associated Press in the New York Times that she didnt want to think about the possibility of donald trump in the white house. Legal analyst jonas kubik that donald trump is a faker and called him out for not releasing his tax returns. Donald trump called those comments inappropriate. Only the republican frontrunner went as far as to send a midnight tweet that Justice Ginsburg has embarrassed all of us. Her mind is shot. Resign. Idea for trump to picks this fight . John it was very unusual for Justice Ginsburg to do what she did. Probably inappropriate. Mark definitely inappropriate. To be criticized by democrats in this partisan. Was extraordinary. If a republican justice had done this, the world exploded. John the question is whether donald trump gets much benefit out of attacking Ruth Ginsburg the way he is attacking her. If donald trump in a sober way this,o call attention to everyone in the world who is not hopelessly partisan would say donald trump has a point there. But to say that her mind is shot. It is a childish response. It plays into the notion that Donald Trumps temperament is not that great. Mark if they are using the court to energize the base. It is good for trump even to do it this way. He wants to personalize the notion that the liberals on the Supreme Court need to be replaced by conservatives. This is going to get attention. Both sides try to make the court an issue and it is very hard to do. He does have some people on the left resizing ginsburg. Criticizing ginsburg. John it is an incredible fight. Just amazing. Up next, we had two strategic masterminds. And i need it anita dunn. After these messages. Mark with us is democratic strategist James Carville and also anita dunn. Bad. The good and the anita i think picking pants could help them carry indiana. Thats the good. He is not exciting. He is not dynamic. He has some real negatives from his time as governor. Carville i think we help the democrats carry indiana. He could win the governors race. How is he going to help win the presidency. You both think mike pence is a bad idea. What about Chris Christie . Anita Chris Christie is a good running mate if the only thing he ever had to do was go debate whoever the democrats nominated for Vice President. Unfortunately he brings his baggage and his personality with him. That outweighs his performance in debates. James carville Chris Christie crushed marco rubio. There is a lot of downsides to Chris Christie. It assumes that the democratic Vice President ial nominee cant get ready for the debate which is a pretty big assumption. Anita it scares me a james sire agreeing so much. Mark you had a decadelong relationship with Newt Gingrich. Is he a better choice . James carville. If you took the combined Approval Ratings in each of their states i dont think within up to 75. The republicans have this article in the times today about the deep bench in the talent at how multiethnic the party was. This is a reflection of a deeper problem that they have. Gingrich is an aggressive guy. He could attack hillary. Thats all i can think of. They naturally did have some good potential choices but trump had insulted them. Newt gingrich temperamentally is somebody that trump is comfortable with. It is important. Nothing says future like somebody who was speaker in 1995. Mark or first lady back then. John what about Jeff Sessions . Would Jeff Sessions be a stronger choice . Anita im not sure what Jeff Sessions would bring to it other than somebody who has served in the congress. Someone thatons is trump seems comfortable with as well. He is very partisan. He is from the deep south states that is not going to be competitive. He gives him the ability to keep it it say he picked somebody. TimJames Carville. the choices i have for Vice President are very limited. As i would be for president. I cant think thats obvious. Mark more with the duo of James Carville and anita dunn after this. With jamesnow carville and anita dunn. Last segment, we talked about trumps Vice President options. Aave tim kaine aside for second. With another name that should be out there that you think would be a Good Alternative to cana she decides against them . In a fan ofalways having elizabeth born on this ticket. Elizabeth worn is great campaigner and she kenexa extremely well with voters concerned about economic inequality. I think it would be a great ticket. Connects extremely well with voters. An elizabethd love warren and Chris Christie debate. Elizabeth warren is perfect. Sherrod brown, tom vilsack, the castros i dont think we are going to know. My guess is shes going to be very deliberate, listen to everybody, Read Everything and make up her mind later for top if he picks Chris Christie, please pick elizabeth worn because that Vice President ial debate would be one for the ages. You are thinking about the running mate selection is theng to address vulnerability, what is the main vulnerability clinton needs to solve . James if you look at the polls, across the board, she has to show she is in it for people as opposed to herself. She has a larger motivation, which i think she does. I think warren would help there. You have a lot of collegeeducated republicans, so she might want to go in a different direction. A falseknow if thats flag operation, i would not put Something Like that pastor. Think the democratic it, its, if you unify hard to lose the general election for if she can do that, i think she will be fine. John what problem does she need to solve . Anita she doesnt need to solve anywhere near the number of problems donald trump does it needs to solve experience, the ability to get things done in washington, Foreign Policy the knowledge and basic temperament and qualifications, all of which i think are unsolvable by his Vice President. She could go with a candidate who is a Younger Generation that could send the message about the teacher and stronger together, diversity, or as james said, she could look to someone that could communicate that she really does care about people. Thats somebody in the economic spirit like sherrod around. Tim kaine is a terrific guy and great campaigner, fluent in spanish, was in the peace corps, has the experience and qualifications people look for, and he would be additive to the ticket, but at the end of the she thinkwho does should be the Vice President based on her knowledge and belief on who would make a good president. She will make a good choice. Tok are you giving advice Hillary Clinton these days directly or indirectly . James im giving indirect advice all the time. But i think she set on going through each thing. I know her and i know shes going to go through this and she will listen to anything anybody has to say for the one thing i do think she needs, having run against both Bernie Sanders and donald trump is a little bit more of the status quo side and she really is. How can you be more change than donald trump