every institution has dealt with this issue. the statistics are 4% of priests. 96% did not abuse. in the general population, 4% abused. should we expect more of the church? yes. we are ministers of god. should we have acted differently? should leadership have acted differently? certainly. to cast this on it as if it's worse, far worse than any institution is simply wrong, if you look at the facts. >> we are going to have to leave it there. i appreciate it. thank you for being with us. up next, a lot from rome's security lockdown. the vatican may not be as tight as you think. there are ways secrets could spill out from the sistine chapel. we'll talk about that ahead. also, a standoff in oregon, between police and a man accused of killing his grandparents, accused of stealing their car and setting off a manhunt.