know the answer to that. >> you also don't often hear the word liar being used in politics and his use of the word liar against jay carney, the president's spokesman, is obviously getting a lot of attention. what do you make of it? politicians usually kind of dance around that word. >> reporter: they almost always do. issa's aides say that he called carney a liar because carney has said from the white house podium that tea party targeting was the work of cincinnati irs employees, but issa really believes that that's not true, that the washington irs employees as we heard him, they were involved. there's no love lost between issa and carney and the white house. we know that because of this and the benghazi controversy but anderson, it is unusual to use the "l" word and even more jarring in this case because republicans i'm told were given very clear directive from the republican leadership not to overplay their hand politically in this, not distract from fact-finding with over the top rhetoric and some republicans i'm talking to are a little bit worried that this is exactly what they were worried about. >> you first reported on friday on excessive spending in the past of the irs like the cupid