the confrontation happened and she's the person that said trayvon martin was afraid. he believed that george zimmerman was creepy, was following him and that george zimmerman confronted him by saying what are you doing around here when trayvon martin asked why are you following me? george zimmerman didn't say i'm the neighborhood watch guy or anything like that and she says she heard trayvon -- she heard a bump and heard trayvon martin say get off, get off. that's important testimony and danny, you were one of the people that said she wasn't relatable. i don't know what you meant by that but i took that to mean somehow because of the way she spoke perhaps -- >> i'll tell you what i meant -- >> shep was not relatable. >> i meant she said she couldn't read cursive. >> that makes someone not relatable? that's ridiculous. >> when you assess the credibility of a witness, you look what you can relate to -- >> as the children in america grew up on computers --