of salt. that is -- >> can you discount her testimony because she can't read cursive? can you discount her testimony -- >> no, no, that has nothing -- >> because she's not relatable? >> if she says -- i -- did i argue that? i don't think i did, sunny. i'm not danny. what i'm telling you is they told have objected to the time that's not the law because it's clearly not what the jury will get -- >> you have all argued at one time or another that a defense -- that a person on the stand was relatable. i mean, sunny, you've argued for trayvon martin's mom that as a mother, she's relatable to everybody on the jury because they are -- they are moms. >> sunny. >> isn't relatability something -- >> but i certainly didn't say someone isn't relatable because she can't read cursive. i think that's code for these women -- >> it's code to you, sunny. it's code to you. >> someone like rachel january tell. >> sunny, you're bringing your own things to the table. code to you.