the threat came it might go away, even though the rollout had a lot of glitches, people supported it more. >> do you buy that? >> we should talk in a few months. it's one thing to have a dysfunctional website and another thing to get hit with a huge increase in premiums and co-pays. >> so months when people see the reality in their own lives, you think there will be a lot of people opposed to it? >> yeah, this time next year democrats will be hoping for at least a delay in the individual mandate because it will be a mess. >> we got to leave it there. great to have you on again, rich, paul, we'll be right back.