confused -- >> i'm not confused at all. >> and i think you have confused the vegetative state, a comba, from death. >> the right is self-determined. >> she's not body! this is not invasion of the body snatchers. she's not an incubator -- >> it's about the right to self-determination -- >> she did have a self-determination, she said don't do this. >> and this is where we disagree. >> this is about your disability to determine for her -- >> that's where we agree. this is a murky issue -- >> there's nothing murky about it. >> i think most women want to keep their babies. most women want to make sure that their babies are protected. we know that this is a woman that had a 2-year-old son that she loved very dearly -- >> why do you just refuse to -- >> i don't think she would want her baby to be killed. >> this is what drives me crazy about sunny. she is dead. she was somebody who was a paramedic. she dealt with end-of-life issues on a daily basis -- >> and the husband is a paramedic, too. >> her husband is a paramedic -- >> so, she would want her baby