kim remembers saying you can't tie the two together and zimmer continued to press and showing her map the city impressing for sandy. so she's saying it was you who was linking sandy and development. are you saying this letter, which is dated before that conversation, november 23rd, disapproves that? >> right. well, that's the first time i'm hearing that. she didn't actually say that today. but, yeah, this letter makes it very clear that i was the one, you know, on april 23rd sent them a letter and very clearly said, you can't connect the two and it's not fair to connect the two and that was part of the conversation that we had. i said, you know, are you saying -- after she said to me, you know, that you've got to move ahead with the rockefeller project, i said, is any other town being asked to do development in exchange for help with the flooding? and her answer was, well, the shore brings in $38 million. she was the one connecting -- you know, she very clearly was