interlocking relationships between politics and special interest than this pay to play system of so-called party dues that governs what happens in the house of representatives. >> you know, it is so fascinating to see this stuff. nobody is talking about changing it, drew, which is essentially the pay to play system. >> not at all. they mostly don't want to talk about this. when they do they blame it on the system that is in place in washington. this is what they have to do, that is what they all tell us. what they fail to mention is they created the system. you have to bring money to play. >> and washington did side with somebody with almost no money. >> yeah, it is going to be interesting to watch. cantor got beat and his money didn't help him. but if dave brat gets elected and makes it to washington he will learn how the game is played.