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people are -- identified as being dead, somebody is changing that and saying "no they're not dead." >> correct. >> reporter: to hide the fact that people died on that list? >> that's my belief. >> reporter: what would be the other, any other purpose? >> there wouldn't be any other purpose. >> reporter: why? dewinter says the numbers of dead in this va wait list scandal may be even bigger than first reported. and someone she says, is trying to cover up the record. and that has been happening fairly recently? >> yes. >> reporter: that is a cover-up? >> yes. >> reporter: did you feel that the investigators are on to that? >> yes. >> reporter: because you told them? >> i have surrendered evidence, yes. >> reporter: if there ever was a doubt there was a secret waiting list at the phoenix va, dewinter says she is here to lay the doubts to rest. beginning early last year, she says she was told by managers to take requests for new appointments from veterans seeking care and hide them. what happened to those people? >> they went into a desk drawer. >> reporter: if you called for a new employment thinking you were