so we can't criticize a grand jury that went by the law, that went on all the facts, 60 pieces of evidence and 50 witnesses and the witnesses varied. >> but by the new york police department definition of a choke hold, any compression of the neck, any arm around the, hand around the neck. >> choke hold, they're trying to have the least amount of force as possible, but that's not always possible in a struggle. >> you're saying the definition the nypd uses is too broad? >> no, i'm not saying that at all. i'm saying a grand jury doesn't look at department guidelines. they look at state law. they didn't say he died from a choke hold. it would have been asphyxiation. they said other factors as well, his health, his heart condition. he was overweight, unfortunately. that's what led to his death. >> it does say cause of death choke hold. >> choke hold is not a medical term. they don't say cause of death choke hold. they say asphyxiation. >> you're saying everybody who sees the video on television and