actually, in addition to that, there was hemorrhage on the strap muscles. there are four sets of strap muscles in the neck. hemorrhage on all of them. and then we know about the compression of the chest. what he died of. what mr. garner died of actually is a heart attack. but that was brought on by a lack of oxygen to the brain. it was a respiratory failure followed by cardiac failure. >> so when he says there was not asphyxiation, you're saying there was because of the constriction of the jugular there, was compression of the neck. >> and in addition to compression of the chest, yes. >> charles blow, you hear mr. lynch also saying look, racism is not an issue in the new york city police force. he's never heard over the radio call somebody saying what race is the person as being whether or not they would respond to a crime. >> well, i mean, i think we would all like to believe that that is the case. however, what mr. lynch is talking about is articulated bias. right?