in amsterdam and he is dutch and was here in 2005 and he has a criminal past but he has come back time and time again to the holloway family and the authorities trying to convince him what he saw is really what happened. but the problem is a lot of people and believe she ended up in the ocean and no one wants to hear otherwise. and when we heard this we flew to amsterdam and we sit down and question him and grill him and you decide whether what he said you think is really true. anderson. >> we look forward to that tomorrow. and joining me now are natalee's father and the lee investigator tj ward working with the family since her disappearance. does it seem like its been ten years for you, dave? it has to be hard for you to come prehence that dave?