coherent in terms of what he was saying. as somebody who has run before that was sort of surprising. >> i don't mean to be mean to governor perry. i do think there is a reason he didn't make the first primary debate. you know he also made the whole point of talking about donald trump before this. and then a little bit tonight. i don't think that's helped him a bit. so you know to the contrary. i think that's part of his problem. i thought they all did fairly well. it's sort of polentaish a little bland. >> polenta, mushy, bland. >> i get it. >> donald trump looms over this. there is a great political cartoon from 1900 when teddy roosevelt was picked on the ticket. and roosevelt horse, and william mckinley on the saddle of on the horn of the saddle. i think we have got something look that here. where there is this enormous