kept working. i had a great significantna. i was able to send full videos to my wife without any signal problems, so thanks iphone, thanks verizon. >> you mentioned your boy scout training. do you think your boy scout training made a difference in. >> it made a big difference, honestly. i've been in so many other situations where we were in freezing cold temperatures camping, stuck on top of a mountain when it just all of a sudden started snowing on us without any proper gear, so particularly with the part of keeping myself warm and keeping myself calm i had experienced those things several times so i just went back to that. >> well, kerry packer, got to the say, next time i get in a near death experience i want to be with you, so kerry packer, thanks so much. >> you're welcome. thank you. up next, hanging chads and recounting ballots by hand. 15 years later the lessons learned from bush versus gore,