be willing to give on background checks and not the other way around. >> i mean, i just -- if i can, i want to -- whatever you -- i'm not sure what you can say but i want to ask about your sourcing. they said they heard the conversation between the president and la pierre? >> correct. >> your source was briefed? >> correct. >> that's fascinating. thank you, appreciate it. >> thank you, anderson. joining us is somebody that confronted president trump and had ever reason to. this is the mayor of dayton, ohio and the president attacked after visiting the wounded city. the last time you were on the program, you accused the president of being a coward. is there any light of that especially in the reporting we heard? >> not really, anderson. i can't say i'm very much surprised. i was hoping that the president was a man of action instead of a man of talk and, you know, the people of dayton when this happened on sunday night, you