all of this because morrison explained to the lawmakers earlier today that he didn't see this as a legal problem for the president. he saw this as more of a political problem for the president. if it's a political problem, obviously they feel like they can survive all of this. now that flies in the house -- that is white house spin because that flies in the face what was we've been seek the last couple of weeks, which is administration official after administration official testifying and just offering damaging information to these lawmakers, saying that the president was essentially engaged in a quid pro quo with the president of ukraine. the question i think over the next week, anderson, is whether or not we see more damaging testimony that matches up with what alexander vindman and bill taylor said and so on, and it may all come down to, anderson, what john bolton has to say. if he indeed testifies, that could be the super bowl in all of this. >> jim acosta, thanks very much. back with david axelrod, gloria borger, david gergen. gloria , the idea of it all comes down to bolton, that's an incredible roll of the dice.