>> look, i think that for all senators and certainly senate republicans, they have to make sure that this process doesn't seem like a sham, like it's a slam dunk as senator mcconnell has said, that he is going to be in absolute sync with the white house counsel and with the president. that's not -- you know, that's like the defense attorney being in cahoots with the judge and the jury. i mean that doesn't work. that's not going to have any credibility. >> yeah. i mean to the point that you just made, with mcconnell saying he's coordinating with the white house, do you think despite that, that there can be a fair trial? >> well, look, you know, if you listen to many of my colleagues and to the majority leader themselves, the majority leader has declared there's no way that the senate will convict the president. well, he hasn't heard all the evidence. he doesn't know all of the facts. i mean other than what we have publicly seen. he hasn't seen the presentation of those facts in a way that can