and a bona fide impeachment expert, jeffrey engel, founding director of the center for presidential history at methodist university. with speaker pelosi and mitch mcconnell, you really do have two of the preeminent masters of congressional strategy. they are at the top of the top historically speaking. how do you think this ends? >> it's not clear. you're absolutely right about these two veterans. they're both wily, and very strategic and tough. they do not give in easily, and you've seen that this past week. mitch mcconnell hasn't been moved at all, and nancy pelosi is hanging right in there. both of them have a lot of support in their caucuses. how this ends, listen, i do think there's legitimacy to what nancy pelosi is trying to do, certainly in the short term, it's to shine a light on the unfairness of the people on the democratic side who have never been given access to documents,