>> democratic tend to survive, a rich democratic history tends to sur survive. that's what social history teaches us. there are no guarantees because the reason they predict what democracies are like is because citizens mobilize, politicians abide by democratic rules and norms so there is nothing automatic about it. we have a kind of self-conception of our society and democracy that's a machine that runs of itself and i think it is not a machine that runs of itself. it requires visual inaction by citizens and politicians to survive. >> daniel, i mentioned "the washington post" reported that president biden is obsessed with your book "how democracies die." what lessons do you hope that he takes from it and governs based on? >> it was mentioned in a