equipping them better to make sure that there's somebody else along for that ride who can deescalate the situation. that sounds perfectly reasonable. but that's not defunding the police. they better bring in frank luntz and give it a new name. >> yeah. i mean, it always seemed like a slogan which, you know, i guess it was born in the streets during protests. and it's attention grabbing and i guess that's what activists want for slogans. but it really does more damage -- or it seems to have done far more damage, you know, to democrats and -- and even democrats, most of whom don't actually support it. there are very few democratic candidates, you know, major-democratic candidates who have actually said, ohs, yes, i'm running on defund police. >> it requires explanation and i don't know that most folks have patience for the sound byte that's necessary to fully flesh out exactly what you're describing. you are not saying that you want different -- a -- a -- a lower level of law enforcement. what you are saying is you want a different allocation of -- of