it is usually a -- a record that you want to see very closely before you call that person in for an interview because you want to be able to ask very specific questions about, did you speak to this person? when you spoke to them, what did they say? what did you discuss? those sorts of things. so i would look at these subpoenas as possibly a signal that subpoenas for testimony from these two people would probably be forthcoming. >> jeff, i mean to be clear, would eric trump and kimberly guilfoyle have been aware their phone records were being subpoenaed? would they have had means to try to stall it? or do they have to agree to it? >> um, the answer is they are probably told by the phone company that the records have been subpoenaed. that's the custom. but they have no re -- they have no legal right to stop it. this is a -- a subpoena to the phone company. um, their participation is not invited or allowed, so -- um -- the -- the great advantage of