administration now saying well he was referring to what -- and this is a quote -- to the difference between military and nonmilitary, paramilitary, and cyber action. i mean, that's -- with the stakes this high, i would think you would be specific if that's what he actually meant, no? >> yeah, i think he freelanced a little there and i think it was not helpful. but i think what he was trying to signal, anderson, is what most people are expecting is not, you know, a kind of russian blitzkrieg across ukraine. a la world war ii. what is the most likely scenario is that the russians will use some kind of hybrid warfare, foment a crisis in eastern ukraine where, remember, they have a lot of russian irregulars, russian troops in -- in plainclothes uniform -- you know, not uniformed. force the ukrainian government to have to try to assert control, and then the russians