of trying to achieve an end, but it doesn't strike me that you're going to convince people who aren't inclined to find him guilty of anything to convict him. >> jeff, do you agree with that? just with the phone call, it's not enough? >> i don't think the phone call is enough. but the phone call is plenty. i mean, remember, it's not just find me those ballots. it's if you don't find me those ballots and look for them, you, raffensperger, could be prosecuted yourself. that certainly sounds like a threat. it sounds like intimidation from the president of the united states. again, it's not enough for a prosecutor to simply play the tape and say to the jury, the prosecutor rests. but there is plenty of grist here for a serious criminal investigation. and that seems to be what's going on. >> jeffrey toobin, don samuel, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. now more on someone who is