mean, we talked about western unity in general but in terms of nato specifically. i mean, putin clearly wanted a fracturing. i think he counted on it, in some ways but he has actually strengthened it. how far could that go? do you think countries like sweden and finland, they could be tempted to sign on to nato? >> i think you are absolutely right. i mean, it's actually, you know, pointed to the fact that -- that going alone is a real problem. and that organizations, like nato, like the eu, that for the last four or five years or so, especially under the trump presidency, were undermined where the multilateral order was constantly threatened, criticized, including by brexit and so on. have now proved that they are indispensable organizations, and they also have been strengthened through this particular process, not just militarily but also because of the military protection they provide to a very specific understanding of a way of life and that's so much