and that lieutenant was also trying to argue that these officers were, you know, taking gunfire, and they had to protect themselves. so they didn't exactly know what they were dealing with. and so they needed more firepower and they needed more help. and so that's why it took so long. but, again, trying to give us this kind of glowing picture of the initial response that police did everything right here, that they were the heroes. >> many parents who stood outside robb elementary urging law enforcement to do more -- >> if they got a shot, shoot them or something. >> don't see the police who waited in the hallway for more than 70 minutes as heroes. >> they're all in there. the cops ain't doing [ bleep ] except standing outside. >> javier was outside the school, desperately worried about his 9-year-old daughter jacqueline. you argued with authorities outside, saying they should go in. you said that law enforcement didn't do their jobs. they should have gone in faster. do you still believe that? >> 100%.