were quite small and quite young, so they fit in there quite nicely, but they were immobile for the most part. >> it didn't feel good. it just didn't. and it -- it was just wrong. >> we started having difficulty getting them all into this one small steel box, to be honest. that's what it was. it was a floating steel box. >> that's where food deprivation would come in. we would hold back food and they would know if they were in the modular they would get food, so if they were hungry enough, they went in there. >> during the winter, that would be 5:00 at night until 7:00 in the morning. >> when you let them out, you'd see new tooth rakes and sometimes blood. >> closing that door on him and knowing that he's locked in there for the whole night is like -- it's a stab. it's whoa.