may be, you have to be a twisted, unpatriotic freak to not believe that. behold the future. >> what, like cooking in a back alley? >> yes. >> this chef has done what many would call a very unwise thing. after working at gotham grill in manhattan, instead of staying where the money inarguably was, he returned to detroit. he's been working to get a brick-and-mortar establishment going by first doing regular pop-ups here at guns and butter, tucked into the back room of an art gallery under an overpass in downtown detroit. you have a really weird attitude towards food in general. >> yeah. >> what's that? >> you've got liquor, cigarettes, you've got coffee. >> or all of those things. we're going to eat well. charlie may have a pulitzer prize, but his appreciation of fine food and dining is, shall