the second thing that happened is there was a massive amount of expertise that was lost during the civil war. >> a lot of the southern revival turnaround started with this guy, glenn roberts. a man who asked a simple question, how come grits are not as good as they used to be? by starting the company anson mills decided to do something about it. >> why do something as unwanted ? meaning no one was crying that we need rice to taste like it did in 1837. we need better grits. what called to you that you felt compelled to answer? >> i am a cuisine horror. i think that culture is interactive with cuisine. as soon as you look at cuisine you are looking up politics, you're looking at medicine, you are looking at advanced thinking. >> i agree there is nothing more political than food.