i have to ask, uh... you're born and raised in the detroit area? >> right. >> an academic star. uh, marine corps. uh, journalism. why didn't you ever run for office? you gotta be crazy. you know what? they don't want straight forward politicians. they don't last. you got to be real cold-blooded. men are elected officials like working for the drug cartel. you can't give anybody any mercy. >> well, it seems that whatever might be in your heart and however pure you might be, when you finally arrive in office, somebody brings you a big dossier and opens it up and says mr. president, mr. mayor, mr. governor, this is the real situation. at which point it's an ocean ah, trying to start making some serious accommodations. >> yes. >> though, kwame kilpatrick. what went wrong there? >> greedy. >> just greed, old school-- >> greedy.