corp., journalism. why did you never run for office? >> you have to be crazy? you know what? they don't want straightforward politicians. they don't last. you've got to be real cold blooded. being an elected official is like working for the drug cartel. you can't give anybody any mercy. >> well, it seems that whatever might be in your heart and however pure it might be, when you finally arrive in office, somebody brings you a big dossier, opens it up and says mr. president or mr. mayor or mr. governor, this is the real situation, which which point it's time to start making serious accommodations. >> yes. so, kirkpatrick, what went wrong there? >> greed. he was greedy. i didn't support him in the beginning. and i was one of his biggest critics. but when he got in trouble, he -- who did he call? he called me. i should have listened to my wife. she said, don't be messing with