there's no shot clock on a papal election. they will go until somebody gets two-thirds. on the other hand, they also don't quantity to project images of gridlock and paralysis. and they don't want the pope compromised from the git-go. putting those two things together is often very difficult to do in a pressure cooker environment of being inside the sistine chapel. >> you mentioned that all 115 -- or 114 cardinals then pledge allegiance to the new pope. once the pope has become the pope and assumes power, there are still factions that remain? >> oh, sure. look, the vatican is like the white house or downing street, it's the complex of bureaucracy and all different within it. one of the most important things the new pope has to do is to indicate that he is not going to be the pope of one or another of those tribes but to somehow try to be a leader for all. and of course that point doesn't just apply to the vatican. the catholic church on the