there was no american outpost. there was no american military presence. eventually other americans representing different agencies were able to get into benghazi and do the same work but they, of course, couldn't do that work overtly, which is why we wanted a diplomat who could be publicly meeting with people to try to get the best assessment. but it was always going to be a constant risk, and we knew that. >> so, let me go back to the risk in 2011 because there was a lot of communication. again, once again, from your senior staff, from the state department to you or from you in 2011. and, in fact, that is when gadhafi fell. he fell in 2011. then when we go to 2012, libya, benghazi, chris stevens, the staff there, they seem to fall off your radar in 2012, and the situation's getting much worse in 2012. it was getting much worse.