eloquently made it vague enough looking back or looking forward. i will just say that. but then what are the ramifications today, what are the ramifications of a white house not sending over or facing this deadline. not sending any counsel, any representation? what does it change? >> nothing. it's a symbolic protest and reminds us that the white house has been and remains unwilling to engage on the merit of the charges at least up to now and is very late in the house process ch i don't see why they would change that now with maybe a week or two to go. another question is will they n engage meaningfully in the senate. i think they have to mount a defense. at this point, i think they prefer to wave the flag and claim to be victims. >> assuming the house votes to impeach the president christmas as manu's laying out then it goes to the senate and if the majority decides to just playing