play in the olympics, which is one of my big dreams. so i decided to do whatever was necessary to prevent that and control what i can control in that situation. >> and i have to say, i was so impressed to read about your path to where you are, you didn't even start playing rugby just so everyone knows, you didn't start playing until college. how do you go from beginner, what is this game, to u.s. olympian in a handful of years? >> yeah, five -- i started, i went pro five years ago, and back then a lot of the players that are here now didn't really start playing rugby until college because it wasn't as big in the u.s. as it is now. i would say i'm very grateful to be able to have gotten in when i did. i think if i tried out today i might not have made it with the player that i was back then. but i'm super grateful, super proud of myself, and still continuing to try to work hard every day to become better and better as a rugby player. >> i mean, you are also wonderfully humble. i will tell you if i started