perhaps he's not a really good businessman but especially the numbers from 2015 are not verified. you'd want to see what they are to make sure these are legitimate claims. your reporter's point about the miracle that the income and deductions are the same happens with multiple entities in multiple years. there are concerns about personal deductions being involved. it's clear that it's not from taxed appreciation. that's a small piece. i mention tax depreciation because that's a genuine allowable tax loss, that doesn't mean you had an economic loss. so these really huge dollar amounts and any responsible auditor who is doing his or her job would want to verify them, make sure they're real because you can't really be certain just because they're on the return. >> right, right, well, the joint committee on taxation flagged that trump claimed a large number of questionable items including the large amounts of interest he claims to have received from loans that he gave