there's an adverse event you run over and say, see, this is just what we expect with global warming. global warming said this is consistent with their models, they have a zillion models that can explain everything except the lack of warming in the past 15 years. >> so suddenly you'd like to pick the 15-year period suddenly even though there's been a trend that compares the last 15 years shows a huge increase in heat -- the last eight of the nine hottest years have been in the last eight years. >> according to some people. that's debatable. >> at some point this is the problem. this isn't science any more. this is politics. right? when the national academy of science, the ipcc, when 11 countries national academy of sciences all say it will result in more tornadoes, more droughts, more wildfires, you're not bringing back science. >> the science we need is just numbers, all right? we've had the warming that you all say is not only man-made but it's significant and you point