we see -- >> why will she have the most elasticity? >> it's already been proouven. she started out very high, she came back down, after the first debate, she went high and came back down. that's where she rests now in fourth place. that's not a bad place to be right now going into the labor day weekend. so i don't think that there's any panic whatsoever. she's in a better position because i will tell you this, while we're having these debates and they sound illuminating and brilliant, the people who will choose the democratic nominee are african-american voters. we can talk about whatever we want to talk about. but african-american voters, particularly african-american female voters will choose the nominee. i will remind people of this, in october of 2007, there was a