>> but this is what i'm saying. what basis would you have to not believe bill taylor? how is he -- he's not a never trumper. >> i'm not making any judgment. i'm saying i haven't seen -- >> but a sworn statement from a man you have no reason to disbelieve is not impressive to you? >> i haven't seen the transcript of the entire hearing. i haven't seen how he defended that statement. that is part of the whole process here. what i've seen are successive selective leaks by adam schiff and democrats on that committee to -- >> taylor is not a leak. sondland is not a leak. volker is not a leak. their texts aren't a leak. the transcript isn't a leak. this guy morrison if -- a white house official whom you know. >> i know tim well. >> and you respect. comes forward and says i heard on the call, it bothered me. what taylor's saying, we talked about it because it bothered me. because it seemed very clear that the president was pressuring ukraine to give him these political value objects before they got what they wanted. how will you feel? >> there's four things going on right here.