substantial because that's all they have. you saw some of that last night on fox news. the three of us here would be the first to say that live television can be challenging but, again, as asha had said, john yoo statements are indefensible. if he was capable of writing memoranda justifying torture in black sites around the world, he knows what the word espionage means and should have just apologized. >> i hedge my risk by having better minds around me all time. i see good faith arguments for removal by republican senators, i see arguments coming our way of what he did was wrong, it was abusive of his power, but, but ukraine didn't give him any dirt, the election is in tact from that perspective, he gave them the aid, they're doing okay, they like us just fine, there is no damage, he's a first-term president and election is less than a year away, it's not worthy of removal, let the election decide. >> yeah, what makes an act a