that, that they were all there. that it was as impeachable a set of facts as there ever has been and we need to keep our democracy, which is the basic framework of the constitution and our government alive by having free and fair elections. and that the framers were afraid of this, afraid of foreign entanglements, afraid somebody would try to enrich themselves as president where they would use their office to guarantee their reelection and the framers said we need to have impeachment, it's so important that the original person that thought we didn't need impeachment that election was sufficient, mr. morris, governor morris, changed his mind during the debate and said you're right, we've got to have impeachment in there because we can't -- >> going back to the founders. >> yes. >> in terms of the facts on the table, rudy giuliani may be back over in europe, maybe even ukraine doing more digging for dirt. he says i'm here just trying to defend my client and show he is innocent.