it takes the form i think the democrats want with live, compelling witnesses once again, i think more of the nation is going to tune in. >> but it's unlikely. >> mitch mcconnell is a smart guy and he probably has the power to avoid it. but if you have an actual trial with actual witnesses who are telling the same story, i think more people will tune in. maybe we're so polarized it won't change minds but that's an opportunity for public sentiment to shift. >> one person who wants witne witnesses is donald trump. he thinks it's his opportunity to get people to tell his story. it was made clear in a meeting there are not 51 votes in the senate to approve witnesses like that. it's not going to happen but he still wants it. >> can i make a point from my experience? good defense lawyers figure out