of people about it. but none of those who were closest to him, right? that's who he was, that's who they were. they lie, they deny, and they defy. and there's proof. what does it mean? let's bring in norm eisen. good to have you, sir. >> great to be back, chris. >> what does it mean and why doesn't it mean nothing except a little bit of a, i told you so, and for the record appraisal of what was true and what was not politically? why does it mean anything? >> the new revelations that the house judiciary committee finally got out of don mcgahn in the transcript that was released today demonstrate that the president's repeated denials that he wanted to fire mueller, have mueller fired, were false.