this is not what he's after. he's looking for something that will bring it to some level of predictability and stability, the problem is mr. putin is not looking for stability. he's looking for instability, and he's not predictable. this is a challenge for president biden and i think president biden understands that. >> the diplomatic talk, you're a diplomat, but the diplomatic talk, hey, there will be consequences, democracies will protect -- why talk in the future perfect like that instead of just saying, look, i know you did it. you know you did it. and i'm coming for you. every time you do something, you're going to get it back, and there will be a consequence you don't like. why not speak plainly about it? >> chris, he has made that point. president biden earlier said, if we find that he's done these things, in afghanistan, in solarwinds, with the use of