important as a black man to get vaccinated. we know that the vaccine has a tendency as higher in minority populations. i felt it was important for vice president pence, as a well-known republican, to get vaccinated. but yes, it would have helped. it could have done nothing but help had president trump done it more publicly and loudly, and i'm so glad to see so many republicans now loudly calling for it, and i hope it's not too late. i hope it happens before we get a variant which, again, escapes the vaccines and makes this a moot point. >> in the most recent polling, 30-plus percent, the highest percentage of people who were vaccinated, are white republicans. in your time in the administration, why do you believe it wasn't more of a priority for trump and his people? >> well, what i would say to you is vaccine hesitancy has been an issue long before covid came along. you'll remember that we almost lost our measles eradication status in 2019, and at the