and we both said we have never heard of all the people we've been helping and shepherding and moi marshaling we've never heard of a formal admittance through the state department system. it's all been the informal networks and people working day and night to dget them in. that is why we're doing it. we will leave no one behind. we made that promise to them and we will keep it. >> the easy defense is there is no process because they didn't plan for this and there are too many people and everybody is scrambling so there is no blame to be had. what do you believe the reality is? >> let me just use an example for you. earlier on jake tapper's show there was the story of my interpreter and he got out. he is in virginia. he didn't get out through the siv process. he has been trying to get his siv approved since 2013. there have been six battalion commanders he worked with trying to help him facilitate the process and it didn't work. the only way he got out was he was a commando. his unit fought its way to the kabul airport. he has been helping defend the