and, you know, the courts can move fast when it's an emergency. >> is it? >> in the historic nixon white house tapes case, four months, chris. this is an emergency. you and i have talked about this. our democracy is under attack. donald trump's attacks, his big lie driven assaulted on our democracy has not stopped, it's intensifying. the courts need to handle with dispatch. congress needs to ask them to move very quickly. and chris, it's going to be up to us, it's going to be up to americans to say hey, this is important, don't drag your feet. it can move quickly if the courts decide to do it. >> it is a novel question. this has never been litigated. we only have the course of performance that we've never seen, an exercise of this privilege by a former president. they always ask a sitting president. but this idea about the president has no precedent in